This text is an edited version of an online conversation between Katherine Richardson, biological oceanographer and leader of the Sustainability Science Centre and principal investigator for the Center for Macroecology, Evolution and Climate at the University of Copenhagen, and Sonia Levy, which took place in May 2022. It was produced by TBA21 on st_age to accompany their online hosting of Creatures of the Lines (2021). It is reproduced here courtesy of TBA21 on st_age.

The interview discusses ideas such as the heterogeneity and three-dimensionality of oceanic worlds; the terrestrial bias that shapes aquatic ecological concepts (e.g. the ways we incorrectly try to understand oceanic environments via principles from land-based sciences); the limits of Earth system sciences in accounting for the profound effects of biodiversity; as well as the importance of more substantially considering the interdependent relations among different life forms.

Click here to read the text on the TBA21 on st_age website